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RUMOR: ResetEra member’s leak details about Shadows Die Twice.

Take this with a grain of salt. According to two insiders on the worlds most popular gaming forum, ResetEra, Shadows Die Twice is not the speculated Bloodborne 2.In fact, it’s something completely different. Shadows Die Twice may be a spiritual sequel to Kuon, a survival-horror game from the PlayStation 2.

Dusk Golem, ResetEra member, leaks…:

All I will say is from all the evidence and from an angle that I can’t fully speculate anymore is that it’s not called Kuon 2, but yeah, it’s Kuon 2 basically.

I know a lot of people want it to be Bloodborne, but there’s a lot of readily available information out there to show it’s not, from the words of Miyazaki himself to a confirmed insider here on ResetEra directly saying it isn’t. I know people want to believe, but when you’re plugging your ears and not listening to the creator of the series and a confirmed insider, you’re just dreaming then.

I know Kuon will seem like a stretch to some people, and that’s fine. But I will say it’s… I’ll choose the words ‘very probably,’ though I want to say more, that it’s a new entry to Kuon how Demon Soul’s was a new entry to King’s Field essentially.

Source.

Dusk Golem reiterates.

All I will say is from all the evidence and from an angle that I can’t fully speculate anymore is that it’s not called Kuon 2, but yeah, it’s Kuon 2 basically.

I know a lot of people want it to be Bloodborne, but there’s a lot of readily available information out there to show it’s not, from the words of Miyazaki himself to a confirmed insider here on ResetEra directly saying it isn’t. I know people want to believe, but when you’re plugging your ears and not listening to the creator of the series and a confirmed insider, you’re just dreaming then.

I know Kuon will seem like a stretch to some people, and that’s fine. But I will say it’s… I’ll choose the words ‘very probably,’ though I want to say more, that it’s a new entry to Kuon how Demon Soul’s was a new entry to King’s Field essentially.

Source.

Now, here is the most interesting tidbit about all of this. In the same thread, months ago, Dusk Golem made a comment speculating that it would be Kuon related.

I legitimately think this is Kuon related.
 
01.) All of the sounds in the trailer are sounds used in Kuon. The flutes and drums are brief but both are in Kuon, and the final scraping sound sounds like a remastered version of one of the common ‘scare’ jingles in Kuon:
02.) In the background the language is ancient Chinese. Japan around the 10th-11th century went from China rule to become their own country before it was known as Japan, they used to use ancient Chinese but around this era began to create Japanese. Kuon is LITERALLY set in this time period, when Japanese culture is starting to rise as it’s own thing, but China still is deeply rooted in their culture and language.
 
03.) On-top of this, the scroll in the background looks quite similar to the scrolls you read documents on in Kuon.
 
04.) There is a rope on the device, which could very easily be Silk Rope (especially as that’s what most rope was made of in ancient Japan):
 
Kuon takes place in a shrine where they specialize in silk creation, that’s literally a HUGE plot point to Kuon about their Silk creation process the Shrine uses, so there being what seems to be silk rope ties heavily into the setting of Kuon, as well as the next bit:
 
05.) In Kuon, there is a world of meat, lakes of blood, and demons beneath a shrine in ancient Japan. The Shrine needs to torture and sacrifice people to appease the demons so this Underworld will not grow out from beyond beneath the shrine. In the trailer the thing that’s working seems like a torture device, it has blood being drawn over it’s ropes and are pulling up, ALL of which ties in neatly into Kuon’s themes.
 
06.) “Shadows Die Twice” fits perfectly with Kuon. In Kuon there is two Campaigns, “Chapter of Shadow”, and “Chapter of Light”, aka Yin and Yang. The game has a strong theme of duality, and without spoiling anything “Shadows Die Twice” fits completely with what happens at the end of Chapter of Shadow campaign in Kuon.
 
07.) This one is obvious and face value but needs to be said I think:The game has two obvious traits shown in its teaser: ancient Japanese culture and a tinge of horror. The IP that literally fits this description from their repertoire is Kuon.
 
Hell, the fucking rope thing is literally from the main key art of Kuon:
 
 
There’s also lots of small things, like the Souls Team has to know about Kuon as for example the spell system in Bloodborne is literally the spell system From used in Kuon. They also talked about a ‘weird’ game and a reimagining in their talks of what was supposed to come this year. People often forget that Demon’s Soul was a re-imagining of King’s Field, I highly suspect what this project is would be a re-imagining of Kuon. I even doubt it’d use Kuon’s name, or be Kuon 2 or something, but I’ll bet this ends up being a spiritual successor to Kuon.
 
The teaser’s brief and vague so it’s hard to be certain of anything, but I think literally there’s more evidence this is Kuon related than anything else that’s been suggested.
The quote above was made public months ago. He is confirmed to know some things about the development of this game. On top of that, Omnipotent (formerly known as OmnipotentComponent) on ResetEra has provided “proof”.  Then, it was verified by the Administrators that whatever this game is, it’s definitely not Bloodborne 2. However, this was a little while ago.
Ill reiterate that its 200% not bloodborne 2. I cant say any more than that.
OmnipotentComponent has provided evidence to the Admins that they are in fact in a position to know what they claim to know. That does not mean we can verify that they are telling the truth or that their information is accurate. As always, the member takes full responsibility for what they post.
Here is the Administrator of ResetEra, who confirmed with validation that Shadows Die Twice is not Bloodborne 2.

So here is what we can take from these leaks…:

  • Shadows Die Twice is a spiritual sequel to Kuon. 
  • This game will be open world with horror elements. 
  • It will take place in Ancient Japan.
  • Despite Bloodborne 2 speculated to be this game, we have two insiders saying it’s not.

This game is going to be absolutely crazy…whatever it is! Even if this information is invalid, all I can feel is excitement going through my veins. With E3 being just around the corner, perhaps we will know more details soon! Gameplay would be exciting.

28 Comments

  • Rodogaar
    This is very interesting, especially the similar sound effects :) A survival horror game from FROM is absolutely a welcoming idea.

    Forgive my lack of insight but, why this is considered a leak as opposed to mere speculation?

    Following your sources, I read some of the content of that forum page, and to me it just seems like the speculation from a random user. Why is user Dusk Golem seen as an insider?

    He also says: "I really shouldn’t probably say anything, and I can’t really prove I know anything, but I had two different discussions with two different people at two very different perods of time who both essentially told me the same thing; it’s an open world game with very strong horror elements set in ancient Japan that’s essentially a reimagining of Kuon".

    To me this sounds sort of like a "My dad works at Nintendo" situation :p (Apologies if Dusk Golem is the most famous FROMSOFT insider in the world).

  • Basilisk
    there seems to be reason to believe dusk golem. He leaked details about Resident Evil 7
  • Rodogaar
    Interesting. Source on this? But ok… Then he mingles with japanese game developers in general? :p Why would the same person have inside info from both Capcom and FROM? Maybe he’s just good at information gathering and deduction? Have to admit that I’m not convinced.

    I’m happy that Shadows Die Twice is a thing in and of itself, regardless if its BB2, Kuon or something else. But as of today, I’ve read many good reasons for it being BB related, and I still haven’t heard an argument which debunks it, other than "I spoke to an insider who said so". But you are welcome to convince me otherwise :)

  • Basilisk
    We will see. He leaked RE7 details…even if quite a bit of it was wrong (which I’m honestly hoping he is wrong about this too).
  • Rogue
    Rogue
    Interesting. Source on this? But ok… Then he mingles with japanese game developers in general? :p Why would the same person have inside info from both Capcom and FROM? Maybe he’s just good at information gathering and deduction? Have to admit that I’m not convinced.

    I’m happy that Shadows Die Twice is a thing in and of itself, regardless if its BB2, Kuon or something else. But as of today, I’ve read many good reasons for it being BB related, and I still haven’t heard an argument which debunks it, other than "I spoke to an insider who said so". But you are welcome to convince me otherwise :)

    I’d like to see that, if you have it on you. I adore Bloodborne!

  • Astremas

    “it’s a new entry to Kuon how Demon Soul’s was a new entry to King’s Field essentially.”

    So it isn’t a new entry to Kuon, because Demon’s Souls is a very different game from King’s Field. What? Either it’s a spiritual successor or it’s “basically Kuon 2”. We don’t say Demon’s Souls is “essentially a new entry to King’s Field” nor “a sequel to King’s Field”.

    • Rogue
      Rogue

      Sounds like he meant thematically, it will be a successor. It may not have anything to do with Kuon at all.

  • Rodogaar
    I believe the start of the thread in your initial source gives a pretty good overview of BB-hints. I don’t agree with all of them, but one thing that makes it plausible for me is the hype generated around BB in other ways recently. You have a BB card game, a BB comic, BB figurines. They are creating hype, but why do that if there were never to be a new installment? Naturally, SDT doesn’t have to be this, but I would question their marketing skills if they never made BB2 :p

    An argument that speak against it being BB2 is that there is no Sony logo in the trailer, but with FROM being the kings of mysterious games, I would be surprised if they had any logo at all, for such an enigmatic video. Another argument is that Miyasaki said in an interview from a while back that he had no plans for further BB or DS games. Some time has passed since he said this, and he also said that if people in his office wanted to make new games within these series then he would welcome it.

    As I mentioned, this is presented quite nicely in the first page of the source you gave – https://www.resetera.com/threads/th…uld-as-well-be-bloodborne-2-image-heavy.10857

    • yegg

      maybe because it was being released for free on PS Plus?

  • FTH

    If true, it will be the first open world game from FromSoftware. Fuck BB or DS. I wanna see how it’s going.

    • Rogue
      Rogue

      I hope by open world, they mean Dark Souls 1 interconnect small open world. I don’t want to see AC:Origins or FFXV open world.

    • Rogue
      Rogue

      Thank you. Appreciate it! Is that your FB Page?

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